You do not punish conservatives by voting for your political enemies

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The Z Man has a post up about the French revolution and a genocidal massacre of armed peasantry in the Vendée region in 1793. The peasants hadn’t taken well to the fact that their priests had been arrested for being, well, priests, and the Republicans responded by sending in a big old army and going to town on those dung eating peons. This was a serious dust up, with the Republicans losing over 30,000 troops killed during the initial ten month campaign.

I’ve never heard about it of course, because when I was at school we were being taught … well shit; I don’t know what we were being taught but it wasn’t about cool stuff like this. The Z Man equates this episode with today’s efforts of the coastal elite to impose gay marriage and forced cake baking on the dust belt riff-raff. Smitty over at The Other McCain reckons that letting the Democrats back into power might not be such a good idea as they probably know it’s their last chance to truly transform society into the nightmare that they so desperately desire.

I’ve been thinking the same thing over here in Australia. You know, that spot on the butt-end of the world that people only talk about when they see someone pull a large knife while munching on a kangaroo steak. The common consensus amongst conservatives here is that the Liberal conservative party needs to be punished for its conservative failings, which are many, varied, and awful. This punishment is to be in the form of the Libs losing the next election to Labor, an event which does not seem unlikely at this point.

The problem with this ‘punishment’ is that the Libs won’t really be punished; they will be absorbed into the Labor slime ball that will inevitably eventuate. Labor knows that this is their last shot under the current electoral system. They themselves are now so far to the left that they are in danger of falling off the edge. They can’t go much further. This is the effect that the Greens have had on them. If they do win the next election then they will be fixated with holding power at any cost.

The most benevolent tactic they could take would be to flood the country with even more migrants so as to ensure an unbeatable socialist voting bloc. It would be the socialist cities against the conservative bush, a hinterland that is so vast and unconnected that any pocket of resistance that springs up would be easily dealt with Vendée style. Or they will just change the voting rules and install a totalitarian system as is their great pedigree. They are more or less Communists now in everything but name.

Which is why punishing the Liberals by voting Labor would be incredibly shortsighted, not to mention suicidal. What we need to do is to drag the Liberals away from the center and back towards the right. The way to do this is by forming alternative conservative parties which will gnaw away at the Liberal vote.

The effects of this are now showing in Holland by way of an example. Via Tim Newman comes the news that after 61 days negotiations to form a Dutch government have collapsed.

“Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s centre-right VVD party had sought to strike a deal with the liberal D66, the Christian Democrats and the Green-Left.”

“The talks had been running for 61 days since an election in March.”

“The Green-Left support open borders, while the other three want stricter controls.”

The other three parties only want stricter immigration controls precisely due to the influence that Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party has had on the Dutch political landscape. The politicians in those three parties are well aware of the rising populist trend. The Green-Left are simply fanatics, but because they are fanatics they can be beaten.

Prime Minister Rutte promised his supporters that he would not entertain the option of a power sharing deal with Wilders, but it may be his only option. That is the second manner in which a smaller but truly conservative party can influence the political landscape. The Dutch landscape is being dragged back towards the right, not because people voted for the lunatic left to “punish the conservatives” but because they did exactly the opposite.

We must do the same here in Australia. Parties such as One Nation, ALA, and The Australian Conservative Party must be supported in order to influence the Liberals, both to move back to the right but also to potentially form a power sharing bloc. Ideally the best result in the years to come would be that the Liberals would sit in the center-left position that Labor traditionally held while the newer parties take over the center-right side of politics. Labor would be banished to the sidelines as marginal fanatics while the Greens would find themselves shut out of the voting equation, as is happening in Germany.

After being brutally subjugated the Vendée smouldered for another twenty years, only extinguishing itself with the final act in the Napoleon drama in 1815. The peasants had to be literally destroyed because they did not conform to the new reality of idealism that they were being offered. The left has mutated itself into a force that can only envisage a society where its ideology is made manifest. Either it goes the way of the dodo or we do.

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This article was originally published at https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/, where Adam Piggott publishes regularly and brilliantly. You can purchase Adam’s books here.

  • BJ

    I am not interested in punishing the Liberals; my only interest is to cast my vote for people whose philosophy most closely aligns with my own. I can no longer vote for the Liberals anymore than I can vote for Labour or any those further left; the Liberals no longer stand for the things that I think are socially, politically and economically important.

    Unlike you, I think that the Liberals are beyond remediation; and they will never again be a coherent conservative force. The party is comprehensively infested with left-leaning wets, and anyone with true conservative values is either being sidelined or forced out. Turnbull and his backers are forcing their preferred candidates onto the branches, and taking over the administration; and many grass-roots members are simply leaving the party in disgust. It won’t be too long until there are very few true conservatives left.

    The Liberals have allowed Turnbull to lead them away from the centre-right, and they are now competing with Labor and the other left-parties for the progressive vote. The vacuum that the Liberals have vacated will be filled by emergent parties who offer conservative voters the conservative values and policies abandoned by the Liberals. The best thing any true conservative voter can do is hasten the demise of the Liberals so that the new parties like the Australian Conservatives have clean air and aren’t dragged down by the confusion that arises from the now patently false claims of the Liberals that they represent the conservative centre.

    • Darryl

      I’ll preference Labor over the Libs and won’t even consider otherwise whilst Turnbull is there, or if they replace him with either Morrison or Bishop.

      • BJ

        I agree; Turnbull is a complete deal breaker for many conservatives.

      • athousandmonkeys

        So as woefully bad as Turnbull is, you’re actually moronic enough to believe that Shorten is better?!?!?!?!

        • Darryl

          You need to read what I said. Shorten will be a disaster. But in my opinion the only way that we can get a conservative Liberal Party again in any reasonable time frame is to vote against them. Unless they replace Turnbull and his fellow travellers. It is better to get the pain over with rather than drag it out.

          • athousandmonkeys

            You need to actually think.

            Sure, “vote against them”, but do NOT vote a worse option in just to spite them! That’s just idiocy.

            It’s really quite simple.

            Preference minor conservative parties and any other non-left parties higher on your list before preferencing the Libs, but ALWAYS still make sure to preference Labor and the Greens dead last. This sends a stong and clear message to the Libs without actually making things worse.

  • Justin Beaver

    I think One Nation, ALA, and The Australian Conservative Party will absolutely garner more votes.
    There must certainly be many core Liberal voters out there who want to punish Malcolm Turncoat, but they certainly will not vote Labor.

    So, maybe the Libs will be pulled back more to the Right, as you say.

    Can’t image Rainbow Billy Shortarse as PM. Mr. Personality !

    Labor would certainly open the floodgates to more immigration.
    The Greens: I hope the watermelons die a quick painful death for the true commies they are.

    • Kevin Collins

      The best way to fire a shot and not shoot ourselves in the foot is offered by our preferential voting system. Cast your vote by all means for one of our true conservative parties and holding your nose at the same time, preference the Libs. None of the minors is likely to win a house of reps seat but they will win senate seats and they will decide via preferences who wins a heap of house of reps seats. It is in large part how the greens managed to drag labor to the left and how ON, ALA and Bernadi can drag the Libs back to the right.

      • Ray Johnston

        Agreed but not in Qld. with 4 reps seats a chance for ON. Wright & Maranoa (half a chance), Wide Bay & Hinkler (quarter a chance). The Lockyer valley towns in Wright (between Ipswich & Toowoomba) has highest ON voting booths at 30-42% 1st pref. and together with Maranoa (out west) have low/medium Green/Labor voting prefs. ( city Lab/Green AND Lib prefs very anti ON). WideBay & Hinkler also get knocked back by too many anti-ON people (high income Greens and Libs).
        In Qld ( and maybe everywhere else I suspect) outer-suburban, provincial & rural ON and Labor people 2nd preference each other roughly 50/50 but Libs definitely (and Nats I suspect) will preference Labor ahead of a ON candidate if they last 2 standing. Nats already 2nd pref a Labor candidate 30% against a Lib compared to 15% of Libs give to Labor against a Nat.
        An ON candidate with a higher profile, a sitting LNP on the nose (Sussan Ley in Farrer where ALA got 20% in a few booths) plus a few more % from Libs and a bit more 2nd prefs.from Labor & minors then I reckon these 4 rep seats can get into the mid 40’s% range for ON but needs a bigger push to win.
        I can’t really see any other so called right wing minor party getting anywhere near this in the Reps anywhere around the country.
        Wilkie 44%, McGowan 35%, Katter 40% the Xenophons etc are all leftist or leaning.
        The non-left outer suburban voter (penalty rates and centerlink) AND the non-left rural voter ( protectionism and govt.subsidies) are NOT right-wing.
        Australian culture has been moving left for years and Turnbull is taking the liberal party along (well, why not….everyone’s doing it). They ain’t ever coming back!!!!

      • athousandmonkeys

        Exactly, Kevin.

        It’s really quite simple.

        Preference minor conservative parties and any other non-left parties higher on your list before preferencing the Libs, but ALWAYS still make sure to preference Labor and the Greens dead last. This sends a message to the Libs without actually making things worse.

  • Warty2

    A well constructed argument, I have to give you that Adam, and though I left the Liberal Party (becoming a Miranda Devine ‘delcon’) I still feel the emotional ties I suspect underlies your argument. Such ties are simply not good enough. The ship is infested with plague-carrying rats (may the Lord bless them for they know what they do) and the only viable solution, well to date, is to allow the sinking ship, to, well, sink.
    Everything you say about Labor getting into power may indeed occur, but one has to look at the long-term picture, and you must admit (in a sense you did in relation to Holland) there is a degree of movement on the station. There is a backlash underway, and people like you, and even me, are quietly beavering away on their computers, connecting with like minded conservatives, preparing the collective mind (i.e. the community) for the new wave conservatism. It doesn’t matter where one turns, Quadrant, Breitbart News, XYZ . . . there are readers who put one onto new sites, some obscure yet useful, in the fight against Gramsci’s long march through our institutions.
    My gut feeling is the back lash momentum is unstoppable. Hence the argument for allowing the Liberals to go down the gurgler, to be replaced by a truly conservative party, filled with Rottweilers, not rats.
    Warty.

    • Justin Beaver
      • Warty2

        Thanks Justin. I remember having seen it before, but very apt.

    • Adam Piggott

      I’m a bit confused at your misinterpretation. I am arguing to vote for the minor conservative parties so as to cause the Libs to move back towards the right. Nowhere in the piece did I say to vote for the Libs.

      • Warty2

        ‘Tis a relief you are arguing in favour of the minor parties, I’m right with you there, but you must admit there were a few ambiguities in your article, the heading for instance, which can be interpreted as ‘please, what ever you do put the Libs in the number one position on your ballot paper. And the first sentence of paragraph 4, ‘The problem with this ‘punishment’ is that the Libs won’t really be punished’.
        On the other hand you do say that the minor parties must be supported, further down, albeit the order is wrong: the Australian Conservatives have the best chance of galvanising the Right; the ALA abandoned its base immediately after the July elections by ‘disappearing’ so that they could lick their wounds. Their website offered the lame excuse they needed to retreat in order to prepare for a looming Halal court case. I know, because I was a member of their Parramatta/Hills RSG. We felt like isolated shags on a rock and the support group quickly imploded.
        I stick to the premise that the Libs won’t reform unless a knife is held to its collective throat. An exodus to the minor parties may not quite do the trick, unless it is of Biblical proportions, and I don’t see that quite happening yet.
        Warty.

        • Adam Piggott

          Title of the piece:

          “You do not punish conservatives by voting for your political enemies.”

          I fail to see the ambiguity because it is a fact. As I expounded on in my piece:

          1. You do not punish conservatives by voting for your political enemies because you only end up punishing yourself.

          2. You do not punish conservatives by voting for your political enemies because the far better way to punish the conservatives is by voting for conservative alternatives.

          ‘The problem with this ‘punishment’ is that the Libs won’t really be punished’.

          This stands as you haven’t made an argument against it. I will back it up further by stating that they won’t be punished because they are career politicians who don’t really care if they are in power or not. They are just playing the political game while the minor players are trying to enact real results.

          You can put the minor parties in order that you wish, it has nothing to do with my piece and I’m not band-wagoning for any minor party in particular.

          • Darryl

            But of course as I posted above for your ballot to be formal in the House of Reps (which determines the Government) you need to number every square. So if you want to vote for a minor conservative party you must preference one of the majors above the other.

            So your suggested support for a minor party is only possible in the Senate. In the Reps your vote will almost certainly end up with either Libs or Labor unless a minor can actually win the seat, which is unlikely virtually everywhere.

            I think this is the reason for the “misinterpration” you refer to.

          • Doug

            Voting for conservative minors and preferencing Libs above Labor is still the preferable outcome though. Even if the Lib ends up winning, they are still punished because they miss out on the electoral funding that goes with your first preference. If the conservative parties get a few percent of first preferences, they get a bunch of money that otherwise would have gone to the majors. With more money, they stand a better chance of mounting a better campaign next time.

            Plus, if a Lib wins the seat by the skin of his teeth, after preferences from ON, AC etc, then if he has a brain, he’ll decide that he can’t risk them growing their vote share, so will try to appeal to their voters.

            But voting for Labor is just disastrous. Look how much they wrecked the place in the 6 years they were in power last time. Shorten’s policies would be absolutely disastrous for the country. We’d have queer marriage with no protections for religions, 18C would be extended to include blasphemy of Islam, and of course the “us and them” class war would be ramped up, destroying the economy. The Libs should be punished, but putting Labor in doesn’t punish the Libs, it punishes the other 24 million Australians.

          • Darryl

            I’d like to agree with you. But why is Turnbull still there after the last election? Many electorates couldn’t even get enough people to property man booths.

            Don’t get me wrong. A Shorten government will be worse even than a Gillard/Rudd one. It may well leave the country in ruins. But that’s going to happen anyway. If we vote them in again there is no reason for them to change. They can’t win by any less than they did last time, and they didn’t learn from that. They need their lesson and sooner rather than later.

          • Doug

            The only reason he’s still there is because the conservatives don’t have the numbers to roll him, and the left are scared to roll him.
            But

          • Doug

            The only reason he’s still there is because the conservatives don’t have the numbers to roll him, and the left have no reason to. I think they learnt lessons pretty well – notice that Turnbull has stood firm on the plebiscite, and is allowing Dutton to do a reasonable job on immigration. The budget was a bad one that we’d normally expect from Labor, but realistically they have to come up with a budget that stands a chance of getting through the senate, the last 3 haven’t. There are still a few things we’d expect from the real Liberal party there – things like lower corporate tax and tightening welfare.
            Would they change after an election loss? Maybe. But would they change enough to be able to fix the problems caused by 3 years (minimum) of Shorten? Very doubtful. Another 3 years of Labor would likely do irreparable harm, if their last 6 years hasn’t already done so.
            While the Libs aren’t really doing anything to fix the problem, they are at least slowing the problems compared to Labor. This is why we should vote conservatives first, but preference Libs above Labor. The ultimate aim is to get real conservatives in power, but if we can’t, we can at least have a government that isn’t as bad as Labor until such time as more of the population wake up to the importance of voting for real conservatives.

          • Darryl

            We shall just have to agree to disagree. I would rather cast an informal ballot than vote for the Turnbull Coalition. If I can’t because I want to vote validly for a smaller right wing party then Labor goes before a Turnbull Coalition. As I said, it doesn’t make much difference whether we board the next train to hell or the one after. The destination is the same. Better to get the worst over with.

            I hope they have the wisdom to dump Turnbull and hist ilk soon because I doubt I am the only one to feel this way.

        • Bikinis not Burkas

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          • Warty2

            You overlook the unfortunate irony implicit in your extract: ‘Yours in Liberty, Kirralie’ has fled the coup having joined The Australian Conservatives.
            Simple communication is nowhere near as expensive as a court case. There were communication problems with rank and file members and the executive right from the beginning (a problem for many a fledgling party).
            I don’t know if you have the figures at hand, but I think you’ll find there was a major exodus of party members following the withdrawal of people like Debbie (leaving the non running of the party to Kirralie). If you are serious about running a party you just don’t do that, regardless of court costs.
            Warty.

  • Darryl

    You wrote:

    “The common consensus amongst conservatives here is that the Liberal conservative party needs to be punished for its conservative failings, which are many, varied, and awful.”

    Unfortunately, the trouble is that there is now no such thing as the “Liberal Conservative party”. There is now no major conservative party in Australia. The hope for conservatives is essentially either that one of the minor parties with a conservative agenda effectively replaces the Libs, or that the Libs are forced to revert to their values and again become a conservative party. The first option is a longer term one almost guaranteeing a Labour government, though we can hope that an obstructive Senate will curb their worst excesses. I’m not prepared to vote for a left wing party like the Libs on the basis that they are not quite as bad. As I said in an earlier post, it doesn’t make much difference whether we board the next train to hell or the one after. The destination is the same. Better to get it over with.

    Please show me how I can vote Liberal without entrenching their new leftist ethos and without destroying the hope that I will again have a major party worth voting for.

    • Adam Piggott

      I never said to vote Liberal. read the piece again.

      • Darryl

        I doubt anyone here disagrees on support for minor conservative parties. But the Reps ballots require you ultimately preference one of the majors above the other or vote informal. I Will currently preference Labor before the Libs. So what is it you are actually advocating.

        • Adam Piggott

          Then you’d have to vote minor parties on the senate ballot, and vote informal on the reps. But I do think that the minors will have candidates up for the lower house come next election.

          Preferencing labor first would be the worst thing you could do as I have already explained in my piece.

          • Darryl

            But this is the problem. If there are no minor conservative parties to vote for an informal ballot is an option. But if Australian Conservatives or Liberal Democrats or One Nation do field a candidate in the Reps, you need to cast a formal ballot to give them your vote. A formal ballot needs a number next to every square. To cast a formal ballot you need to make the decision to place either the Libs or Labor above the other. In most seats you could vote for every minor party and put Libs last and Labor second last and Labour would end up with your vote. Or vice versa.

            This is why the Libs took their conservative base for granted and moved to the left. The thinking was that they had nowhere to go, as most conservatives would still preference them in the Reps.

          • Adam Piggott

            Good point, and this is a good discussion because it is important that people understand these finer points.

            With our present voting rules I think you’d have to do it this way:

            1. If you have smaller party options then put them first, Libs second last, and Labor last. There’s just no choice on that. You can’t vote for Labor, they are close to being communists. If the Libs get over the line then so be it.

            2. If no smaller options are available then vote informally.

            There is another point which I didn’t mention in my piece. If you do have a minor party option then you need to get involved come election time. It’s not enough to be aware and vote accordingly. You need to make as many other people aware as well.

          • Darryl

            And that’s the point where we disagree. The present Libs are not going to change if we prove Mark Textor right and give them our preferences. What I am hoping is that they will dump Turnbull, appoint a conservative leader and move to the right. i will still vote for other minor conservative parties even then, but they will get my preferences. I really don’t see another way that will produce a conservative alternative in any realistic time. Even though a Labor government will be an absolute disaster.

          • Kevin Collins

            I would not be so sure Darryl. Having been a scrutineer in the past you report back on all the trends, informals and even if a comment makes it on to a ballot paper more than a few times. The other issue is money. The Electoral commission grants are only paid on 1st preferences. If libs end up with tens of thousands of second preference votes it really does make a difference, firstly to cash and secondly to the uphill information flow. The reason the Greens run in every seat is firstly money (paid once the vote hits 4%) and secondly to keep the pressure on Labor. Don’t underestimate the power of small parties to influence policy . It can be REALLY effective, and I speak with first hand experience.

          • Darryl

            I’d like to think you’re correct. However, they have let Turnbull drag them to the point where they are now just another leftist party. They failed to learn the lesson from the last election. Textor’s strategy was to seek more votes on the left because they were so sure of conservative support, even if just through preferences. The fact that Turnbull is still there sends to me the message that the party will not learn from these usual methods. Elections don’t get much closer than the last one and they have reacted by moving even further to the left, knowing they lost supporters on the right. Replacing him with another leftist will send the same message.

          • Kevin Collins

            Except for the fact Darryl that last federal election we really had no alternative conservative party to park votes (& $ ) with so it was just really a Labor/lib showdown with the greens thrown in for comedy value. To some degree they must have been shocked by the Senate results but the money is really in house of rep 1st preference votes. Next time around I would hope ON stand in a heap of HR seats, even if just to play the greens game and collect enough 1st preference votes to get the money (from the libs) and that Cory Bernadi has sufficient resources to do the same thing, although I think he will focus on the senate. The long game here is to do to the libs what the greens have done to labor, and it took the greens many years. They harvest the hard left of labor, plus the useful idiots who still think they are an environmental party and we need a true force on the right to do the same thing. I wish Hanson and Bernadi would actually get together, his policy smarts and experience with her electoral appeal would be a game changer. I will never forget being told by Mark Textor that “I don’t matter because I have nowhere else to go”, Well Mr Textor, with due respect. F U, now I do, and I’m taking my vote, my money and the money you used to get for my vote with me.

          • Darryl

            Kevin. I keep hoping you can convince me but sadly not so far. There were plenty of alternatives last time. Certainly in the Senate and also in many Reps seats. I had a number of right wing parties to vote for and I did. Of course I placed the Greens last and ultimately had to choose between the “Turnbull Coalition” and Labor for second and third last. For the first time I put Labor ahead, which of course is where my vote ultimately went for the first time in my life. And I was not alone. I confess that the decision was made easier because the seat was a safe Liberal one. It’s going to hurt me this time and probably hurt the Turnbull Coalition more, because this time I will be voting in a marginal seat. If Turnbull is still PM at the next election, or some other quisling has replaced him by the time of the next election, it will be a clear signal that they will not listen short of a massacre of epic proportions. I won’t like doing it, but …

          • Kevin Collins

            Comes down to how hard conservatives want to play the game, and, they need to take a leaf out of the greens book. The Greens, over time, have cannibalised parties like the democrats, the nuclear disarmament party (and probably to communists as well). They have infiltrated the media, the universities and schools. They have secured massive funding for their public relations arms like WWF, Greenpeace, Landcare and Save the “insert emotive whatever”, plus have mouth pieces like get up and the socialist alliance constantly banging their drum. “We” have been too nice and yet the hard left seem to be rabid, and get away with it.. This is why Hanson is getting so much traction. I just wish she was a bit smarter and a bit better organised but there is a small touch of “drain the swamp” about her because she just says it as she sees it. A bit like Latham. Personally, I think Bernadi is the answer but he needs the electoral appeal and bluntness of hanson. Cory is also, too nice. As a basically decent fellow with values and manners he does not want to upset people, Pauline however, doesn’t seem to give a sh!t. The next federal election will be the last hurray. If conservatives are not organised and ready to fire a very loud and serious warning shot over the bow of the libs then it will be time (for me) to start looking into what country overseas I want to retire in.

          • Darryl

            Our thoughts are very similar. We differ in that I think the warning shot at the last election was not over the bow but was just a mere whisker from taking down the mast and mainsail. And it seems to have knocked the rudder further in the wrong direction! In the medium to long term the right wing minor parties can become a force. But in the meantime we will be stuck not only with Labor but a Labor that thinks Gillard and Rudd had it right. Our best hope is a Liberal Party that goes back to its philosophical roots. Turnbull has to go!

          • Kevin Collins

            Turnbull has to go! Yesterday, if not sooner
            On that we are on the same page!

          • Kevin Collins

            Have to add, as part of a good discussion, the last election did not have an effect on Turnbull and his wets because the votes just went to Labor. It actually encouraged them to move left, because they think that’s were the votes are. We did not have large numbers of organised and “branded” conservative candidates running in the house of reps so any “shot” was a pop gun. Either Hanson, Bernadi, or I hope a combined force has to be there in HR seats across the country at the next federal election and has to be able to poll 10+ %. Textor was right to a degree, we had “nowhere else to go”, except Labor. If Turnbull leads this rabble of limp wristed seat warmers to the next election it will be a blood bath, but, at the same time, it may serve as “our” franklin dam. I remain of the view that it has to be a united conservative party with Bernadi’s “smarts” and Hanson’s blunt crash or crash through language & voter appeal….plus maybe some of Gina’s money =)

  • Karen Dwyer

    Excellent piece, Adam. I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions.

    Ryan pointed out a while ago that the rural areas are being deliberately, ruthlessly (& one hopes not permanently) changed by non-productive migration. That is, one can expect our food producing regions to become housing zones for people with no idea how to farm. Not a problem for communists who never know how to feed populations.

    The Australian Conservatives should have sufficient member numbers in Victoria to form it’s political party here soon. It can’t come soon enough, really.

    You and David have been publishing some very astute analyses. Ditto BJ. Haven’t yet had time to listen to Moses A, (who is looking disconcertingly like Simon Le Bin before he – not Moses – had all that facial surgery).

    Anyway, I’m going back to my hols, but just wanted to send a postcard ….

  • Regarding the so-called benefits of mass immigration one should take a look at Sinclair Davidson’s economic take on the subjection. It’s so bad the classical economists must be spinning in their graves.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/immigration/immigrants-boost-the-economy-and-should-be-welcomed-20170224-gukhgo

  • OneFatOzGuy

    I’m not going to enter into the political discussion, rather I will comment on the history portion with regards to France. I hadn’t noticed how little of history has been told to us where the peasants succeeded, at least for a time. I mean, we obviously know about the French Revolution, but it’s a bit hard to white-wash the overthrow of a monarchy and establishment of a republic, but that example is very interesting.
    The best example I can think of is the stage show (and movie) Les Miserables, the whole thing a very melodic message about how resisting the established military is pointless. I’d never thought about it that way until just now.
    I also remember how the creator of the musical got famous singers from all backgrounds to sing some of the songs from it to raise its profile (think Neil Diamond singing ‘I dreamed a dream’), which I think is all about instilling in peoples minds that resistance is futile.
    Or how most movies are about single heroes who can take on people with their special powers or abilities. Very few movies are about large numbers of people taking on the military and winning. The point being that it conditions us to believe that we’re either able to stand up by ourselves alone or not at all.

  • athousandmonkeys

    It’s really quite simple.

    Preference minor conservative parties and any other non-left parties higher on your list before preferencing the Libs, but ALWAYS still make sure to preference Labor and the Greens dead last. This sends a message to the Libs without actually making things worse.