You Don’t go Back to Church Because You Believe in God

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Originally published March 23, 2017.

The late Christopher Hitchens’ released God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything in 2007. He coupled its publication with a series of live debates with various religious leaders where he used his vast oratorical skills to overcome his ideological opponents. But even though he was a masterful speaker and debater, his arguments on religion are weakened by a few fundamental flaws.

One of Hitchens’ core arguments was that he did not require a heavenly body to guide him on how to be a moral human being. He was able to be a good person in spite of God, not because of His existence. But Hitchens was a product of his cultural and social environment, an environment which was firmly rooted in the traditions of Christianity. To claim that his civility was not a result of his civilization is pure ignorance at best.

Hitchens was born in 1949 and grew up in a period when the Church was still paramount in people’s lives. Almost seven decades later and we are witness to a continuing and escalating crisis in Western culture. Our leaders continually seek to make changes under the assumption that change equates by default to progress. Under this paradigm any change is thus seen as being good, and people who enact change are thus assumed to be good people. We have mistaken change for progress, and progress for virtue, and virtue for ethics. And we have done this because we have no faith.

Faith is civilization. Our laws bind our community together, but it is our faith that propels us to follow and respect them. We cannot continue to enjoy the fruits of our civilization if we allow one of its core roots to wither and die. We have eroded our faith in our Church while simultaneously eroding our culture through the banal evils of multiculturalism. Australia is now a mishmash of different ethnic groups, and it is the fault lines dividing these groups where the cracks are beginning to fracture.

The catalyst for fracture was Islam. Nature abhors a vacuum and will seek to fill it. We believed ourselves to be too far advanced for the superstitious nonsense of religion, while ironically falling for the great god of climate change, and into the breach Islam has stepped. But strangely enough, the Islamic invasion may well be an opportunity for the West to rediscover its own faith. The only way we will prevail against an invading religion will be to strengthen our own. And by restoring our faith we will begin to regain our culture. The two are inextricably intertwined.

One of Hitchens’ other false assumptions was that since he himself was able to think rationally and virtuously, then other people would naturally do the same. He projected his own personal traits onto the rest of humanity. Even if Hitchens was not a product of his environment and was essentially born a good and free-thinking man, it is ridiculous to assume the same of men everywhere.

The seething mass of humanity has great need of spiritual salvation, as history has repeatedly shown. It is thus precisely the responsibility of men who have no need of spiritual guidance to attend church in a dutiful manner so as to create a fine example for those that do require guidance in these matters. That is why atheists must go to church. They need to understand that in order to enjoy their civilization and pass it on to their children, they must, by default, preserve its cultural pillars and traditions.

You do not necessarily go to church because you believe in God. You go because you believe in your civilization. And until we return to the Church, we are complicit in the invasion of Islam. You cannot be secular and simultaneously complain about the inroads that Islam makes in our culture, law, traditions, Parliament, leaders, and culture. Islam will become our way of life until we wake up and rediscover our faith.

It is almost as if God has designed it thus. What better way to guide people back to the Church than by creating an invasion that forces us all to act.

This article was originally published at https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2017/03/22/you-dont-go-back-to-church-because-you-believe-in-god/#more-2408 where Adam Piggott writes regularly and brilliantly.

  • Deplorable Steve

    Amen X 62,000,000!!! Christianity is the basis for our entire civilisation, whether one believes in The Trinity or not. It has been those concepts that seek to heal, comfort and advance humanity (even though terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity). Hence the reason we don’t bury our womenfolk up to their chest and stone them to death. I wonder who does that??? O that’s right, Islam still provides this service of peace to its grateful womenfolk…

    • Bikinis not Burkas

      Islam still allegedly provides for voluptuous doe eyed virgins whose virginity is restored at midnight but only if you are killed fighting in the name of Allah! (Nobody has ever came back from the dead to confirm the allegations)
      Quran (4:74)
      Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

      http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2017/03/22/north-african-runs-road-block-stabs-police_a0e288d4-85e1-4a0b-a238-d80e630ed9c6.html

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8380054-3×2-700×467.jpg

      • belt fed 7.62mm

        Voluptuous doe eyed goats for fighters of Allah!

    • belt fed 7.62mm

      Typical leftie rebuttal 1: it’s a religion of peace
      Typical leftie rebuttal 2: it’s the most feminist religion
      Typical leftie rebuttal 3: Christians are just as bad because they did bad stuff during the crusades (1200 years ago)
      Typical leftie rebuttal 4: you’re racist

  • Solarspirit

    To all white people I recommend this great speech by the late Jonathan Bowden:
    Audio: https://youtu.be/5y3a3vSTgPI
    Transcript: http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/05/credo-a-nietzschean-testament/

    “Now, I believe that in the Greek civilization, a peasant woman could kneel before an idol, and could have a totally literalist — it’s called metaphysically objectivist — view of the religion. She believes in it absolutely. A fundamentalist in contemporary terms. And you can go right through the culture to extremely sophisticated intellectuals, some of whom were agnostics and atheists who supported religion — yes they did!

    Charles Maurras was believed to be an atheist, but he led a Catholic fundamentalist movement in France. Why? Because if you are right-wing, you don’t want to tear civilization down just because you privately can’t believe. You understand the discourse of mass social becoming. What does a wedding mean? What does a death mean? What does the birth of a child mean? Unless there’s something beyond it? What does a war mean? Just killing for money? Unless there’s another dimension to it…

    …to read about your own culture is a revolutionary act…

    …you have to know about our own forms to be able to deny the postulation of these people who would deny them. Knowledge is power. Listen to high music, go into the National Gallery. It’s free. You can stay hours in there. Look at what we’ve produced as a group.

    This is what the Muslims teach their people. To be totally proud of what you are in your own confirmation of identity. Because identity is divine…

    …I urge all white people in this era to look into the mirror and to ask themselves, “What do you know about what you are?” And if you don’t know enough, put your hand on that mirror, and move towards greater knowledge of what you can become.

    We’re all going to die. Make use of that time which remains.”
    – Jonathan Bowden

    • I like this quote from the transcript, about our current form of governance of society:

      “Not an elite that knows what it wants and understands its mission in life, and that will hand on to people after it, and that comes out groups that exist before it. We’re ruled by essentially a commercial elite, not an intellectual elite or a military elite or even a political one, but a commercial, profit-and-loss one.”

      Very true. Our countries are ruled by the big Corporates.
      Everything is reduced to $$$….
      It is about “the economy”, not about the people.
      It is always about the economy this or the economy that.

      Western Society is becoming increasingly vacuous and pointless, with no aspirations except for economic success.

      • Solarspirit

        Yes, every time I hear our politicians speak they, without a modicum of shame, appeal entirely to “economics” and nothing more. I always found that extremely jarring. We’ve truly become a society of the lowest common denominator.

        I haven’t lost heart though. This cultural nadir is a proposition to be seized, overcome, and as Bowden would say, “to stride on to new forms of glory”. Now that the internet grants us curious people unfiltered access to all information, we can begin to at least sort ourselves out at the level of individuals, especially in regard to learning about what we really are.

  • Jael

    “Faith is civilisation.” Nailed it. The legal system can only make rules and punish you for breaking them – it can’t, on its own, turn people into moral and civilised people. And we’re losing sight of what actually makes people virtuous and civilised in the first place. We are becoming one-sided human beings.

    “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.”

    • killer3000ad

      Doesn’t the legal system also reflect changing moral values? Example, as the LGBTIQ+ lifestyle becomes more accepted, same sex marriage followed and now schools are teaching gender-as-a-social-construct in schools by order of the government. We have gender diversity officers and positions in institutions and laws that punish people for using the wrong pronouns (see Canada). So in effect the legal system can be seen as a barometer or canary in a coal mine of where society is heading. And it feed back into itself as well.

  • Anomie Antidote

    Any suggestions of what kind of churches to go to? Because it seems like the places I’ve looked, it’s feminists, crypto-Marxists, open borders advocates, foreigners, and the kind of people who want to sing a song or kiss a statue to *put off* thinking about moral questions. God forbid any actual theological curiosity, moral absolutism or respect for tradition survive the onslaught of modern culture.

    I’m a bit sick of the rabid social justice dogmatists I left behind at uni. I don’t particularly want to surround myself with the kind of people who vaguely believe the same nonsense, plus ‘it’ll all be all right because Jesus died for you’. I’ve met too many Christians like that and they’re insufferable.

    I want to be a part of a community. But it feels like communities around here only organise around the kind of premises that ultimately destroy communities, with a smile on their face as they do it. Whatever the soul is — I’m not sure — I’m pretty convinced that that’s bad for it.

    • ElvenPegasister

      This is a difficult question, but it can’t go without an attempt of an answer. You’ll have to take my answer only as a starting-point and then do some leg-work of your own, I’m afraid.

      Firstly, don’t give up! There are such churches out there.

      In general, the more traditional churches are 1) more likely to be led by conservatives and 2) more likely to have solid, well-thought-through doctrine as their foundation. But I get what you’re saying – they don’t always show that doctrine, or the morals that should go with it, in regular worship.

      Remember, there is only so much time in a Sunday service, and a broad group of people the preacher is trying to connect with. To learn what is really important to a church, look not only for Sunday worship, but for various studies. Every church runs introduction-to-Christianity courses, which teach not only fundamental doctrine but also how a Christian ought to live, but if you think that would be giving false impressions that you’re looking to become a Christian, inquire instead about Bible studies, Faith Seeking Understanding groups, and other means of going deeper.

      For a community, I recommend looking for a small church, maybe 40-80 members. Much less than 40 and you’re worried the church will collapse if one key member has to move away; much more than 80 and you start to get lost in the crowd. Large churches do manage not losing people in the crowd, but as far as I can tell, that’s mostly by having small groups that you can join.

      Some churches do talk about social justice, but they mean it in a literal sense: working to do the best we can for others, as individuals, as a church, and as a country.

      Caveat on specific recommendations: I do not think there is such a thing as a perfect church, and I disagree with all of them on /something/, but my disagreements are not too major to support them.

      1. The Presbyterian Church.
      This is my home church, that I was raised in and still attend. The teaching is very solid, though often quite cerebral, normally on a pattern of exegeting Scripture and then applying it to life. Hard passages are not shied away from. While politics is sometimes mentioned, every time in my recollection has been encouraging people to examine their candidates’ views in light of Christian values (some helps given but mostly expecting people to do their research), or asking for help and/or prayer on a particular issue. I have never heard a particular political party, even one of the minor parties that set out to be Christians in Parliament, advocated for from the pulpit.

      2. The Catholic Church.
      I find Catholic congregations rather hit-and-miss in terms of teaching – they all have the same solid foundation, but not all priests are as well-read and good at conveying that foundation as might be hoped for. I can recommend any Dominican parish or chaplaincy, though: the Dominican Order is all about the teaching, and even in a ten-minute homily manage to pack some great insights. I have only ever heard one priest preach politics at us (I wasn’t happy, but he’s one among many). The Catholic Church in general are also very big on living out the Christian life – they tend to be the ones campaigning for law changes according to Christian morals, and they do a LOT of charity work.

      Caveat: Catholic education is in a bad state. Do not send your children to a Catholic school in the expectation that they will pick up the faith and morals without any direct teaching from you. Not only is that putting unreasonable expectations on the teachers, Catholic RE has been under attack from the secular government for a long time. This is at least part of the reason there are so many lapsed Catholics or nominal Catholics, that is, people who still call themselves Catholic but don’t attend Mass – and most of them have very little idea what the Catholic Church actually teaches.

      3. The Orthodox Church.
      You can’t get more traditional than the Orthodox Church. Their doctrine has been thoroughly tested, mostly in the councils of the early church era, and they don’t care how unusual that is in today’s world because they’re part of something eternal (not that the other churches disagree with that, but this is the attitude I read from the Orthodox). The communities are fairly close-knit, from what little I’ve seen, and they do preach morals, often from a starting point of relations between God and man. Look for a congregation that does most or all of its liturgy in English – these are becoming more common.

      Oh, and in general, don’t forget to check that the church you visit is Trinitarian and can agree to the points of the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds – those are key to the Christian faith.

      For any clarification, you can email me: elvenpegasister (at) gmail (dot) com.

      If you’re in south-east Melbourne, I can recommend some specific congregations to you.

      All the best with your search!