Ideologies are Religions

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Vatican photoHave you heard the one about the Syrian, the Egyptian, the Turk and the Emirati walking into a bar? They order four Cokes and start talking about Islam.

I know, it’s a bad joke. But it is revealing. As anyone who has lived the expat lifestyle in a foreign land knows, Kiwis, Poms, Canadians and even Yanks and us have a lot in common. Living in an alien culture makes those commonalities much clearer than they would be back home in a Western country. The same dynamic that makes Kiwis and Aussies blood-brothers when living in strange lands also makes Middle Easterners bond around what they have in common. Unfortunately for us, what they have in common is a religious system which we have been at war with pretty much constantly for over a millennium and which teaches its followers that not only are they living in the Last Days, but that the coming apocalypse will usher in a golden age of global Islamic domination. All these haraam pokie bars will become halal shisha cafes soon enough.

Recently, we’ve seen much made about whether Islam is an ideology or a religion in the leftist soup that we swim in called the media. Sincere and valiant rightists have been making the assertion that Islam is a political ideology; this is a clever strategy, as once they prove this then there is no distinction between Islam and, say, Nazism. We could say Bolshevism, which killed many more people, but Soviet Russia was our ally during World War II and most of the Cultural Marxist establishment in Australia probably think gulags for rightists like Pauline Hanson is not such a bad idea. I’m sure the Greens would support letting the reffos flood out of Manus Island and replacing them with people like Pauline. Or me. Or you.

While this line of attack might play out well in the media, it is misguided. It’s still playing by the leftists’ rules, which of course they will change on you in an instant as soon as you start to win the argument. SJW’s always double down, and they never stick to the rules. They are deviants.

Hair-splitting about whether Islam is a religion or an ideology will get us nowhere in the long run. It misses an important point, both for Muslims and for us. This is because ideologies are idealist mystery cults. They are religions. I know this will come across as a ludicrous statement to a 21st century Westerner at first, but stick with me. Let’s see where this rabbit hole leads us.

Throughout human history, religion has had a key function in legitimating political power. Throughout the Bible, religion provided authority to political rulers. This was not only true in the cases of David and Solomon in Israel, but also when the Pharisees questioned Jesus regarding the divinity of the Roman Emperor and when the Romans persecuted the early Christians for denying it. The reason Jesus was killed was not because of his spiritual claims, but his political claim as the rightful king of Israel. This political element of Christian belief is often overlooked by non-believers, but it is crucial. For Christians, Jesus is the king of kings. Throughout the medieval period, kings claimed authority based either upon approval by the Vatican or, later, appointment by God. The Queen of England still retains the role of head of the Church of England. This was not only true in Christian Europe. Chinese emperors were viewed as ruling by the mandate of heaven, and Aztec and Incan rulers were always careful to maintain the favour of their gods via the rivers of blood pouring down their temples.

What is the difference, then, when a Prime Minister or President claims legitimacy based upon the authority of the Will of the People? Is that not also a god? And is that assertion not fulfilling the political function of all religions, namely to unify the people and enable the ruler to institute his own will over them?

Vatican photoOf course, much of this line of reasoning will seem bizarre at first to a Westerner. When we post-Christian Westerners think about religion, God gets in the way. Whether we like it or not, our civilisation was founded on Christianity, and although our elites and most of our people have rejected any belief in God, we can’t help but still think of the world in Christian terms.

We think that if white people don’t believe in God then they are not religious. We even believe that if people have a ‘scientific’ worldview based on reason, they are ‘secular’. This is quite an odd way of thinking. Religion, at the heart of it, is not really about God per se – it’s about worship. It’s about what people put their faith in to provide them comfort, identity and purpose. What you believe in most is what you worship. And what you worship is your god.

If you are a rational empirical materialist, then your god is human reason. If you are a biogender, leaf-munching plant fondler, then your god is trees. If you’re Kanye, then your god is Kanye. Or Yeezus. Every person worships something.

Saying that a person has no religion is saying that a person puts their faith in nothing. They have no identity. I have never met such a person. If you know of one, please get in touch so I can meet them. I would be glad to meet such a marvel.

To all you New Atheists reading this who have been spluttering Cheezels onto your neckbeard while furiously Googling Richard Dawkins quotes, see you in the comments section. Best bring your A-game.

Ideologies and religions, then, perform the same function of unifying large groups of people in common purpose. Civilisation is impossible without religion, and the modern globalist civilisation we have built since the Enlightenment has been founded on the worship of abstract ideals such as reason, equality, freedom and progress. We might think of the religion of modernity as being comprised of various forms of liberalism and socialism. Ultimately it is a utopian mystery cult. This idealist religion of modernity has spread across the globe, dissolving traditional hierarchies and ethnocentric belief systems wherever it goes. The bloody turmoil, cultural destruction, moral degeneracy and technological wizardry of the modern era have been the results. This universalist ‘secular’ creed that underpins liberal democracy, according to Fukuyama, has proved Marx wrong. Communism was not the end of history. We are.

These ideologies of modernity have become for us what Catholicism was to medieval peasants – as natural and invisible as air. To point them out is like pointing out water to a fish. They are also an aggressively universalist religion which will brook no rivals. This is why we are witnessing the unstoppable force of modern utopian idealism hitting the immovable object of orthodox Islam. Each new jihadi going to his virgins proves Samuel P. Huntington’s Clash of Civilisations thesis. We can all see where it is headed.

This then, brings us back to the four Middle Easterners in a bar. We constantly see the leftist establishment baffling over why ‘home-grown’ terrorists are emerging in the countries of the West. We’ve even managed to manufacture such a surplus of mini-Muhammads in Australia that we’re exporting them back to Syria. Talk about selling ice to Eskimos. What can account for such a phenomenon?

Just like expat Westerners in Busan, Osaka or Istanbul, Middle Easterners living in the West find identity and solidarity in what they have in common. Also just like expats in Asia and elsewhere, many of them are not interested in adopting the ideological or religious beliefs of their host country. The Cultural Marxist beliefs and values of the West have no appeal for most Muslims, especially the men. To them, such nonsense is laughable. And they’re right. This has led to a situation where, by failing to advance a worthy and valid set of beliefs and values, the West is hothousing its primary historical religious foe in the heart of its major cities.

The leftist media talking constantly about Islam only reinforces this common identity in the minds of Middle Eastern immigrants. Are they trying to create terrorists?

The propaganda calls this ‘radicalism’. It’s not. It’s orthodoxy. When Christians get literalist about the Bible, we jump for Jesus on Sunday mornings and infuriate our families by praying for them to accept Christ. When Cultural Marxists get literalist about Derrida, Foucault, Sartre and Greer, they march against tampons and make rainbow bracelets for Diversity Day. When Muslims get literalist about the Quran and the Hadith, they kill infidels and start building up a harem.

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This is an extremely important map to remember. Photo by prince_volin

Orthodoxy and literalism seem to be on the march in all the faiths of the world. Distinctions that in the past could be overlooked in the interests of national unity are now being magnified as the significance of national identity continues to fall away. The world is soon going to see clearly that Islam has seemed mild for the last century because there has been no Caliph. ISIS declaring a Caliphate has now brought this hope back into the minds of the Umma, and it will not be long before the Sunni-Shia civil war sorts itself out brutally and we have a Caliph that most Muslims can accept. What leftists now call radicalism will then become the norm.

In my personal view, the gods of modernity are not strong enough to stand up to the onslaught of Allah. Many will disagree with this statement. Whether this is true or not, our current approach of pretending that all Muslims are budding good liberal democrats who just need more understanding is laughable. Literalist orthodox Muslims are certainly laughing at the naivete of this view.

Perhaps the mystery cults of modernity will win the battle of ideas and Fukuyama will be proved right that liberal democracy is the end of history. This still leaves us with an interesting question though. Once ideologies are understood as religions, it makes one wonder. Who is more religious – us or the Muslims?

  • Journey

    Excellent analysis. Can you please explain the map in context of your arguments? thanks

    • Thanks Journey. The map there shows the Caliphate at its greatest extent.

      • David Hiscox

        I think knowledge of the historical map of the spread of Islam is one of the keys to finding out everything you need to know about it, and the historical context of our current struggle. The knowledge that the armies of Islam were once a few hundred kilometres from Paris, and ruled over, at some stage, most of Europe, belies the narrative of Christian aggression against Islam, and instead shows how Islam posed an existential threat to Christianity for most of its existence. A map paints a thousands words..

        • Darryl

          Agreed. So much for the religion of Peace!

        • Karen Dwyer

          There’s an excellent geostrategic map of the Middle East in Elizabeth Kendal’s recently published book: “After Saturday Comes Sunday”. A full colour version of it is at: http://www.ElizabethKendal.com

          An impeccably researched and readable book from a dynamic religious liberty advocate.

        • Karen Dwyer

          If one has any empathy whatsoever, then reading accounts of the siege of Vienna is as chilling as seeing the Nazi soldiers parading through the Arc de Triomphe.

          Yet what we get to see is Hollywood-ised “harems” as romantic girlish pyjama parties as opposed to the reality of brothel-esque captivity. And we get to hear politicians dismiss murder with rhetorical questions about “the Crusades”.

          I look forward to someone who can draw the parallel between the Christian armies and those of D-day (or are we too deep into our own cultural cringe these days?)

  • Trog

    Brilliant article very powerfully argued.

    I totally agree with your description of the differece between religion and ideology as “hair splitting”, and also agree, as you point out, that it is however a very clever tool in argument.

    Your metaphors, “the leftist soup we swim in”, and “pointing out water to fish” are pearlers.

    What I take most on board from your piece, is your “radicalism is orthodoxy”! Brilliant point! Succinct, easily communicable, starkly realistic, and a real moment of clarity and understanding for me. So very well expressed and worthy of being trumpeted loud and long amid the “leftist soup”.

    I cannot concur however with your Godhead transference to “human reason” and modernity.

    Your historical iteration of past rulers adoption of divinity was for me, simply a clever political device utilised to ensure compliance. It makes practical sense to use the Marxist phraseology “Religion is the opiate of the masses” to bolster and legitimise one’s own regime.

    For me, you confuse faith and worship with trust. I can and do have faith in human reason as opposed to “religious faith” but certainly could never worship human reason, whilst equally having complete trust in it. Possibly badly expressed but sensical to me.

    For me religion is about enlightenment not about its concurrent unification in a “common purpose”.

    Finally your erudition in arguing that Islam is close to sorting out its traditional differences is I believe optimistic, dare I say extreme. I dont see 1400 years of turmoil disappearing any time soon.

    An outstanding piece Moses exceptionally well put.

    I love my XYZ.

    • Thanks Trog! I turned the Bible-bashing dial up to nine for this one. I know it’s a kooky idea to many people, but (*clears throat very seriously*) as a Christian I view ideological and philosophical matters as ultimately spiritual.

      I respect your respectful disagreement. That’s why the West is best 🙂

      That’s a good title for an article….

    • Karen Dwyer

      Hi Trog. Thanks for directing me to this article. My reasons for agreeing with Moses A. (in this instance):

      God is real, eternal, good, loving, merciful, faithful, just, truthful, kind, creative, personal. He is knowable, interested in deep and ongoing relationships with each one of us. He has authority and He directs His purposes.

      He is supreme (I.e. above all things, not a pizza topping or a dalek).

      He is the only being who is worthy of worship (which I think is what you were expressing) and indeed that is one of our characteristics: made capable of and needful of an intimate relationship with Him. But if we refuse to enter that relationship with Him, then we fill His rightful place with something else: “reason”; fame; ambition; lust; neurotic attachment to someone or something.

      Faith, to me, is trust rather than hope. That is, I have faith in God’s goodness and wisdom. I don’t “hope” that He has plans to help me and not to harm me, plans to give me a hope and a future. I KNOW; I trust in Him (not in my knowledge of Him – and there is a difference); my faith is in God (Father, Son [Jesus], Holy Spirit).

      I believe I am intelligent, have the ability to plan ahead, am loyal, look after my family well, etc. But I don’t make those characteristics the basis of my life choices. My hope and trust doesn’t rest on myself because I am human and flawed. I can and do get it wrong, sometimes wilfully. I’d like to know categorically that I wouldn’t crack under torture and betray my family and friends (or indeed my enemies). I can hope to have courage. But I KNOW and trust and have faith that God will be with me and will not leave me and therefore I am not afraid.

      We live in a spiritual world and not just a physical world. If I want to win a spiritual battle, then my aim is not to shoot at the horses, but at my enemy the rider. The rider is intent on killing me and he will just jump on another horse anyway. I can capture horses for my own army and I can keep my eye on the enemy. If I resist the enemy then he will fight for a while then flee.

      I see Islam as the means by which my enemy intends to win a spiritual battle. The enemy could just as easily use Buddhists or Hindus or atheists or Communists or Labor party members. Or me. (Moses A. also refers to religious nationalism). Christianity that is a religion (and not a relationship) is also destructive. It doesn’t have “roots” of spiritual maturity, nor “fruit” (goodness, kindness, perseverance etc) of the Holy Spirit.

      So while it is good to know what the horses are up to so I don’t get stampeded, ultimately my attention is on what God has already revealed.

      Re divisions within Islam, it is possible for different factions to come together against a common enemy or for shared interests. Then they will split into factions again.

      My view: it will be the good that overcomes evil. Evil (hatred, torture, bombing hospitals etc) and foolishness (having blinkers on, pretending everything is ok, making convenient alliances with corrupt nations) will not overcome evil.

      It won’t be a reformation of Islam that changes the map. It will be those people on their knees (preferably in prayer now rather than under the blade some time hence) that transform Muslims.

      It’s possible to get caught up in the hydra-headed beast (Islam, cultural Marxism, Labor members who don’t want Christian schools to be able to employ people with Christian values etc). But really, the question for each one of us is that ancient rallying cry: “Who is on the Lord’s side?”

      • Trog

        I dips me lid Ma’m.

        Time for a brew and a bicky. (Maybe 2!)

        Cheers again.

        • Karen Dwyer

          Make it two bickies, Trog.
          And a pot, not a cup. 🙂

    • Addelad

      Trog, perhaps I am being simplistic or naïve (there, my way out is established) but isn’t the question of “Faith” – whether it be placed in humanity/rationality or God – more to do with the subject of said faith, than esoteric consideration of the deep meaning of the word itself? In other words, we are humans, hence faith in humanity has a massive reliance upon ego whereas religious faith is based in the supernatural, the greatest possible intellectual, life or whatever you call it force in the universe.
      Faith in fallible humanity is one thing, faith in the infallible is something quite different.
      For me, there is no infallible “greatest being” in the Universe. Hence, like you, I have a belief in humanity, but as I get older, that belief is being eroded. It ain’t faith!

  • Darryl

    l agree that all religions are (or arguably at least encompass) ideologies. I do not, however, think that all ideologies are religions. But since, as you say, they perform much the same function in this particular context, I am indeed hairsplitting. Christianity, whilst one of the main forces which shaped Western Societies, has been largely supplanted by ideologies. Not one ideology, but a number. Where once the Western World was united in opposing Islam, we now have a mixture of ideologies largely without common purpose. Cultural Marxism, which has become so dominant, is supportive of Islam, presumably on “the enemy of my enemy” basis, since so much of Islamic ideology is anathema to principles they profess to hold dear. Even many of the remaining Christian denominations do not see Islamic ideology for what it is and preach extreme tolerance. As you quite rightly point out, the West “hothousing its primary historical religious foe in the heart of its major cities.” Npt because ideals like free speech, democracy, secular government, individual rights etc are not worthy and valid values and beliefs. It’s the failure to advance them. Christianity no longer unites us, and the replacement ideologies are not only divided but some, like cultural marxism, show not only an astonishing capacity for hypocrisy, but preach such extreme “tolerance” that they can no longer recognise and deal with the true enemy. The West is thereby drastically weakened. The Clash of Civilisations hypothesis is indeed becoming reality, but our society is no longer united in support of what are said to be fundamental principles. If this situation continues, I agree with you that the West may well prove to be no match for Islam. At what stage do the West even recognise the problem and fight? In our democracy, what percentage of our voting population must become Muslim before our governments before our society becomes neutral, then changes sides. I don’t want my female descendants some day living under Sharia law.

    • Karen Dwyer

      Ditto.

      It would be the females living under Sha’riah law, though, because any male descendant worthy of the title would have been executed relatively early in proceedings.

  • ReadTheConstitution

    This guy is just smart enough to be dangerous. Moses is useful for provoking thought, but his own ideas are pretty terrible.

    Typical of subversives of his kind, he is changing the subject and obfuscating realities, so as to keep the pathologies of our civilization hidden.

    For every truth Moses Apostaticus introduces, he tosses in several lies. It is the definition of good propaganda.

    • I see you’ve now followed me over from The Daily Caller. Yay.

      That’s a bit vague, except for the ad hominems. Are you indignant that I don’t obsess about the JQ as the only issue that ever existed in the universe? I still can’t figure out exactly what your critique is.

      Good propaganda? Thanks, I appreciate it. I see myself as an anti-leftist propagandist.

      • johann

        Moses.
        Stalker Alert !!
        I think this dude is seriously butt hurt by your epistles.

        • I saw on his Disqus profile that he has 6500 comments. He’s the superintendent of the internet.

    • Steve B

      Scholarly debate requires evidence, of which you have proffered nil but personal opinion. Back up your claims please, otherwise your post is irrelevant…

  • anthony

    Secularism is not an ideology: Secularism is a system which facilitates any other ideology or religion, and there is a profound difference between an ideology and a religion, as long as those ideologies/religions accept the system whereby other religions/ideologies are entitled to coexist in the Secular framework. Other religions have been domesticated to the Secular social structure; Islam has not. There is no reciprocity from Islam, no tolerance or compromise. Its that simple. Islam is a military ideology; this is distinct from typical religious proselytising where the invitation to convert is not mandatory; in Islam there are no options: you convert, or pay the Jizya, or die. This is anathema to Secularism and reflects the genius of Islam which uses the freedoms of Secularism to defeat it. What has to be done is: no further muslims to come in; zero tolerance of Islamic symbols, mosques, burqas, halal and anti-terrorism laws specific to Islam. These measure conflict with Secular principles but as Popper said you do not tolerate the intolerant.

  • potenz walker

    I’m glad that the concept of ‘leftist-belief-system-as-religion’ is (finally) being advocated more publicly. I would differ from your thesis and argue that leftist ideology is not merely performing a similar function to traditional religions, it is in actuality an expression of one of the world’s three major religious belief systems – but, as with all things leftist, perverted/twisted/adapted to suit political power requirements.

    I am particularly referring to the Hindu religion, which (to try and condense an entire religion into 5 words) preaches “worship of the god within”.
    [Break-out note: As Swami Vivekananda put it while attending the Parliament of the World’s Religions in Chicago in 1893, the spiritual teachings of Vedanta are: based around its four cardinal points of non-duality of the Godhead, divinity of the soul, oneness of existence, and harmony of religions. Religion, in the light of Vedanta, is the manifestation of the divinity already in man.

    These points are pretty much ‘no-go areas’ in Islam and Christianity – though Hindus are quite comfortable including Jesus, Mohammed, Mary, Buddha in their pantheon of gods to be worshipped. But the biggest no-go aspect is the concept of a godhead within each person.]
    The concept of a godhead within was introduced to mainstream America and Europe during the Swami’s visit there in 1893. It has since been perpetuated (and modified to the point of non-recognition) by various opponents of politico-religious structures in power at the time – including socialists and communists who preached the humanist vision sitting above any God, and the american version that culminated in the hipster ‘revolution’ that has more recently morphed into identity politics. In all cases, the ultimate claim has been (and is still being pushed today) that one’s identity is the ‘godhead that must be worshipped’.

    This identity-driven religion retains its truly religious character in that it is intolerant of other religions and actively seeks to drive out all other religions. What we are seeing is a holy crusade/jihad being waged by believers of this western perversion of Hinduism (Winduism?).
    Recognising the current leftist ideology as a religion, and calling it out for religious persecution of non-believers, frees other religions from the mental straitjacket of being called ‘bigots’, ‘racists’, and ‘homophobes’. It clears the waters and lets people see what is truly happening.

    At this time, only certain sections of the Islamic communities have identified what is happening and are using western hindus as cover to gain as much ground as possible before open warfare erupts. It’s about time for other religions (and the general community) to wake up.

    • I’m really intrigued by that line of argument potenz walker. I did a piece a little while ago arguing that hippies are nazis, and during the research I came back to the alt-living movement which emerged out of Ascona in the early 20th century and the influence of theosophy and Indian mysticism through Madame Blavatsky, inter alia. That was definitely Hinduism invading the Christian West. I know Christians in SE Asia who come from India who see Hinduism all over the New Age hippie movement. We see it I think too with the rise in piercings, tattoos, etc.

      I find it hard to write about these spiritual matters openly, however, as the understanding that spirit precedes matter is very foreign to Westerners. We have become so accustomed to materialist thinking that people don’t give any credence to spiritual powers. Most Christians don’t really believe in God, sadly. They use him as a concept or instrument for their own purposes.

      While I agree with everything you said, I think the influence of gnosticism and the ancient mystery cults is also imiportant. Aleister Crowley worked hard to revive gnosticism and bring it into elite circles, with success. The pedophilia and debauchery which resulted is clear evidence of its impact. The devil has many schemes, and in my view it can be a fool’s errand to try and pin down single causes.

      Thanks for your thought-provoking comment. I wish more Christians were wise when it came to such matters. Our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers of the air.

      • johann

        Moses, whats the saying….?
        That the Devil’s greatest trick was to convince us he does not exist……

        • I find what non-believers are most confronted about regarding the Christian worldview is not that we believe God exists but rather that we believe the devil does.

          If there is a devil, there is evil. And if there is evil, there is a moral law. If there is a moral law, then we are condemned and require salvation. This is what is most confronting for the world. It was one of the first things that shocked me after I encountered the Lord.

      • potenz walker

        I have just read through your own blog’s post on hippies and Nazism – fascinating.

        I’ll try to keep my thoughts as brief as possible.

        Your posts re-iterate for me that we (you, I, others) have an understanding of the driving forces underlying the leftists. We know our enemy (pretty much) but it is not a widespread knowledge amongst Christians, other religions, and non-religious opponents of leftists. Further, this knowledge is not translating into pragmatic tools (weapons?) that can be utilised in fighting back against the wave of leftism we currently face.

        Your comment – that leftist ideology acts like a religion – provides the platform on which to build a pragmatic tool to use against the leftists. It is a fantastic platform for two reasons: (1) it is true, not only does their ideology act like a religion, it is an actual religious belief system, and (2) by publicly identifying leftists as a religious cult that is actively attacking other religions provides non-leftist religions an acceptable rationale for fighting back.

        For example, being labelled a homophobe is no longer an embarrassment – it is simply a reflection that ‘they’ have a different religious take on homosexuality and ‘they’ have no right to forcibly convert one to ‘their’ religion. Being attacked for holding western traditional values is no longer an embarrassment – it is simply a reflection that ‘their’ religion denigrates europeans/caucasians – and again, ‘they’ have no right to impose ‘their’ religious views on others. And so on with all of ‘their’ attacks.

        Awakening Christians in particular (but also including Muslims, Buddhists, etc. who are next in line) to the religious guerrilla warfare being waged against them – placing it in it’s true context as an attack on their religious values and beliefs – provides the platform required to push back against the leftist religious indoctrination program being run through our educational and cultural (government) institutions.

        I believe you did yourself a disservice by downplaying the truth in your post’s title: “[leftist] ideology [really] is religion”.

        Please continue with the excellent thinking and writing.

        • That’s pretty much my line of thinking potenz. I’ve come to the view that the mystery cults of ancient Greece went underground when Christianity came along. They became gnosticism, Neo-Platonism and occultism during the Middle Ages, and re-emerged through the secret societies during the Enlightenment. I think this is the spiritual ancestry of modern ideologies which enslave people. As Ecclesiastes tells us, there is nothing new under the sun.

          My goal is try and show modern people, especially Christians, that there is a spiritual element to what they believe. I’m often confused how so many Christians can know that Satan rules this world at the moment yet they still give themselves over to it.

          Recently I’ve (reluctantly) come to the view that liberalism is also a mystery cult. This will be unpopular to many people on this site and elsewhere, but I think it’s true. Socialism certainly is, and Marx was not an atheist. He may have hated God, but there is evidence he worshiped something.

          I’m glad it struck a chord with you. There are many people emerging on the real right who are developing critiques that go far beyond what conservatism ever managed. I think there’s hope for the future mate. God bless you and your family.

    • johann

      Interesting points, potenz.
      What you say makes much sense.

  • johann

    Moses.
    I enjoyed your sermon.

    As far as the Muslim problem is concerned, all I can say is:
    Deus Vult.

    • They knew how to get things done back then. Of course, they also burned heretics like me at the stake. But they sure knew how to get things done.

      Sermon. Dammit you’re right I guess. I use rhetoric more than logic as it convinces people better. Glad you didn’t fall asleep in the pews.

    • Steve B

      Another crusade Johann? Hopefully the Red Headed One is spearheading the formation of a contemporary offensive. She has more balls than most of the male politician cucks in the mythical kingdom of Can’tberra…

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