Jordan Peterson in Melbourne: God, Christian Heritage and South Africa

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On Thursday night I saw Professor Jordan Peterson speak at the Melbourne Recital Centre for the Melbourne leg of his tour promoting his book 12 Rules For Life. The punters crowding the foyer were of a refreshing sort compared to the usual attendees I see at classical music concerts at the venue – generally unattractive people speaking to each other in poor affectations of the British upper class.. Instead I saw confident looking young people with about a 70:30 ratio of men to women.

Antifa were nowhere to be seen. I assume the professor lasered them with his eyes before I arrived.

I’m a professional psychologist.

Jordan Peterson entered the stage to a standing ovation, and appeared genuinely humbled. He immediately launched into exploring an extremely important question: Does he believes in God? He said it was a question he hadn’t answered before, so I found it quite telling that he chose to address it: He obviously considers it a very important question and he has taken his time to think it through before answering it. Did he deliberately chose Melbourne, tHe poz capital of Australia, to address it for the first time? We should have asked him.

What follows is my best attempt at summarising his answers. I will do so as accurately, chronologically and succinctly as I can, with the understanding that it will not be a perfect representation of what he said.

He opened his answer by defining what he means by ‘belief’, and he used two images to illustrate this. The first was the oldest known icon of Christ Pantocrator, believed to have been created in the 6th century AD. Its distinguishing feature is that Christ’s face is asymmetrical:

Christ the Saviour (Pantokrator), a 6th-century encaustic icon from Saint Catherine’s Monastery, Mount Sinai. From Wikipedia.

Here is a mirror image of each side of His face:

From Wikipedia. By JustinGBX (me) created the composite. “anonimus” uploaded the original photograph.

This represents the dual nature of Christ, as God and human. He used this to talk about the division in the human brain between left (logic) and right (a connection to the infinite) and in a series of steps discussed the universality of human religious experience, and the fact this experience is easily and readily induced, as evidence for the infinite. You can tell what someone believes by observing their actions; people matter, and our actions should reflect this; heaven and hell are a reflection of the infinite possibilities that exist to choose either good or evil; in this respect heaven could be defined as being a point at the maximum distance from hell.

He prefaced discussion of the second image with the point that there is a price to pay for abandoning meaninglessness. Abandoning meaning gives us the freedom to do whatever we want, but embracing meaning burdens us with responsibility. It means our choices matter.

This second image he chose was of Saint Joseph’s Oratory in Canada.

St. Joseph’s Oratory, Montreal, Canada. From Wikipedia.

It is a massive cathedral, built on top of a hill. Miracles are said to have occurred there, and the church itself is littered with the crutches left behind by pilgrims over the last century. There is a staircase leading up to the cathedral, and people experiences suffering ascend this staircase, one step at a time, to get there.

That, he said, was belief; to struggle up the hill under burden, of striving through suffering to reach our aim; to make that aim a point which is heaven, the maximal distance from hell, by making choices based on the belief that we as individuals matter, that people matter; that it is our responsibility as individuals who embrace meaning to make good choices and ultimately make the world a better place.

Along the way he discussed the importance of being precise in one’s speech, to aim well in order to hit your target. He referenced experiments into change blindness:

This demonstrate the fact that your values determine what you see in the world, thus in order to improve on problems in your life you must look at your value structure; do what is meaningful, not what is expedient; put yourself together and aim at the best thing you can.

He lambasted relativism with the simple observation that suffering is not an opinion, it is real. He defined hatred as punishing people pointlessly, punishing them for their virtues; thus he defines love as being the opposite of this. And he alluded to Dante’s Divine Comedy, and the necessity of examining the potential for darkness within oneself in order to appreciate the potential for good, ie the process of going through hell in order to reach heaven.

His talk was dense and there is much I have omitted. It is the kind of lecture one meditates on for a long time, and many essays could be written on one or two points.

He stated that we in the West have become disconnected from our past and in particular our Christian heritage, and we are suffering because of it. He did not explicitly affirm tenets of the Christian creed, but he did his best to make a logical case for them. Tellingly, he argued that accepting meaningless is a bad choice, and the unwillingness to embrace responsibility inherent in this justified unbelief.

Thus, given he presents meaning and responsibilty as good (although difficult) things to embrace, he is justifying belief in God.

Importantly, he kept his analysis for the entire evening at the level of the individual and advocated for achieving a better world through the improvement of decision making by idividuals – stop making decisions which make things worse – and he focused his discussion of belief in God on the level of the individual.

The talk itself was excellent. The Q&A was something else. Usually this part of an event makes me cringe, but my fellow Melbournians served up the most intelligent questions I have ever heard. Hold the nukes.

Ok, so there was the guy who asked Jordan Peterson what he thought of the fact that he is in an open relationship (I know, libertarians) to which the professor asked him:

“How old are you?”

“26.”

“Do you have children?”

“No.”

“There’s your answer.”

In essence, marriage is for the sake of children.

When asked what makes a good leader, he listed five requirements:

  • To know where one is going
  • To be able to communicate that direction to people
  • To be able to bring people on board to his vision
  • To have a plan and strategy to get to the destination
  • To see it through to the end

He was asked what advice he has for young people in the education system who are trying to push back against Cultural Marxism:

  • Remember you are in a war
  • Pick your battles so you don’t unnecessarily sacrifice yourself
  • Take a long term approach, a decades long approach

The two big ones he was asked were on South Africa and Christianity. Regarding South Africa, he was asked, given how dire the situation is there, is it not time to move past focusing on the individual and to stand up for group identity – for white South African identity?

It is here that I keep in mind Peterson’s story of how he could not bring himself to say things he did not believe to be true. This topic seemed to be the one where he took the most care in choosing his words, to the point of agonising over them. He stated that if there is a gun to your head, then obviously you are out of options, but he reaffirmed the principle that in order to improve the world and to solve conflict we should keep our focus on the individual, to make the world a better place by stopping making choices that will make things worse.

What I took this to mean was that there may be a point in the future, if direct slaughter of white people based on their identity is initiated, that there will come a time to intervene on behalf of a group – white South Africans – in order to stop a genocide.

If that is indeed what he meant, (I am wary here of doing a Cathy Newman and reframing his answers to suit my own understanding of the world) then it is here that I differ from Peterson. The time to intervene is now. The time to wield identity politics is now. The foundations for white genocide are already well advanced in South Africa. If we wait until the second last stage of genocide – extermination – it will be too late.

The country would have already been destroyed.

It is a liberal principle that embracing group identity leads to conflict, the most extreme result being genocide. Aside from the fact that this is a false dichotomy imposed on our minds by our Cultural Marxist overseers, if we fail to embrace group identity while our opponents embrace it, we will cease to exist, without firing a shot. Conflict is what will save us.

I make a similar case here to the case I make against Going Galt. If we rule out the use of force against a socialist system brought about by “democratic” means, and instead work to hasten the destructive effects of socialism by removing ourselves frôm it in order to bring down that system, we cause far more damage – the complete destruction of a country – than if we had been prepared to use force earlier.

On Christianity, Jordan Peterson was direct and assured. He was asked – given that he identified the source of the West’s malaise as the fact that we have been detached from our past, from our Christian heritage – whether we needed a Christian revolution or revival in the West.

He responded very clearly and simply in the affirmative.

The question I have been discussing with friends in the last couple of days is: Is Jordan Peterson a Christian? As I mentioned earlier, he didn’t explicitly state ‘I believe in these tenets of the Cristian creed’ or ‘I have invited Jesus into my heart as my Lord and saviour’. However, he presented a systematic case for the existence of the supernatural, the infinite; for understanding the nature of belief, of heavan and hell, sin, good and evil, love and hate; and he repeatedly affirmed that the West needs to reconnect with its Christian roots. He also referenced several readings from scripture in his talk, and attempted to discover the truth in these passages.

Given that he has dedicated himself to spreading this pro-Christian message across the West; given he states that you can deduce the value system of an indiviual by observing their actions; indeed given that the Bible states “You will know them by their fruits”; I conclude that Jordan Peterson is a Christian.

However, I understand that “do you believe in God” and “are you a Christian” are two different questions. If Jordan Peterson ever chooses to answer the latter, I would very much like to listen.

  • McMansplainer

    The cynic in me sees him as a Tony Robinson figure, just less supeficial. At worst, he is a very good drama actor looking to sell books and courses. He could also be considered a traitor in regard to European civilization and people, because despite his praise of it, he is unwilling to acknowledge and fight against the demographic changes that are destroying it.

    I acknowledge his good fight against totalitarian use of language though. I haven’t seen any evidence that he is not sincere about this.

    Am I being too harsh? Or is he a false hope?

    • Cate.

      Can’t comment on Tommy R.- don’t know his work.
      I don’t think Peterson’s a false hope per se, though nor is he a ‘Hope’.
      He is what he is; a thoughtful man encouraging men to use their brains to their full capacity because that is what is missing- Mind.
      We’ve been slowly, insidiously, collectively robbed of them directly since the 1940’s, and indirectly since the 1700’s or so.
      Some (like me for example) would argue that Mind is where their god is located. (The solar plexus being their heart. The heart is located on the left.
      Left.
      Translate ‘Left’ to the Italian/Latin.)

      The pineal gland- if it’s clean, uncalcified and functioning optimally- is the source of eternal hope and connection to a universal source of goodness, strength and eternal life. Some refer to the state as ‘Being with (or knowing or walking with) God’. To me it’s inner strength. But that state’s called the Christian Saviour to many. (I tend to eye the bible with great suspicion the more I learn about biology, ‘science and medicine’, history etc..)

      Whatever one calls it, his statement about preparing for war is not unfounded in my opinion. He is perhaps, in his own way, acknowledging and fighting the demographic changes destroying the west.
      He speaks like a libertarian; I think eventually they must be forced to the right. He’s just taking his time- a bit like Stefan M.

      • W. Hunter

        Pineal gland is highly valued by the corrupt Elites.
        Especially if it is from a young unsullied child about to be sacrificed in a satanic blood ritual by these monsters that live amongst us.

        Adult pineal glands are mostly atrophied, calcified, especially by fluoride in our drinking water………to block our 3rd eye and prevent us from awakening.

        “Mind” is our greatest problem, very few people live in the present, they are imprisoned in their own mind-cage.

        Left = Sinister

        pic attached of atrophied pineal glands
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ed61e09352022e7a4ad895102799f3adf71bc1325fcc8c3f0ce463a947ff1df.jpg

    • No. You’re on the money in my view, and as this article shows even those desperate to hear the clarity of views Peterson trades in don’t agree with him on everything.

      Let’s give the television evangelists a clap when they get something right but boo or ignore them when they get it wrong. We got into this mess by letting other people lead us. We won’t get out of it the same way.

  • Repeal fake marriage

    Great recount David. I think however, that conflict right now us the only way to save western society.

  • Noachideous

    https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2018/03/08/crosses-on-public-property-including-military-cemeteries-may-be-at-risk-warns-federal-judge-video/

    Now …… who could be behind this …… just quietly ? Arlington Cemetery Crosses removed ? Perhaps a replacement with Celtic Crosses as appropriate, in consultation with Family. They’re banned too apparently in many places.

    A symbol of YT supremacy it is said with flickering, kosher forked tongue, …. from the diseased mouths of fanatically religious BlowHards who say and lie ……. far too much.

    Wherever he is found, YT is a target. It happens because, having no shame anymore, YT lets it happen and will perform all sorts of deferential gymnastics to elicit the approval of those who seek his disappearance. That approval is only ever granted for auto-genocidal behaviour….. such as ….open border refugeeism…. etc ad-infinitum.

    For the noblest of causes in the making of a Better World and the TikkunOlam of it all ……. as always.

    https://youtu.be/VAZDHH_GXEQ

  • Sam Vimes

    Isn’t it odd that this unassuming Canadian psychologist has assumed the role of unofficial spokesman for reason and logic during these troubling times? I think it’s because he’s uniquely placed with the facts about Marxism and the evils associated, the insidious cult of post modern dogma and it’s SJW step-children, but is blessed with the knowledge to analyse the mindset and put it all in perspective. I’m not sure there’s a better voice of reason right now.just watch his testimony at the Bill C 16 hearings – the man is a beast. Sorry I missed it.

  • I might have to do a BitChute exclusive on identity politics and South Africa.

  • BJ

    I am so glad you got a ticket David; I would deary love to have seen Peterson but the tickets in Sydney were gone in a heartbeat.

    • David Hiscox

      I hope next time he comes he gets bigger venues or does two or three shows like Milo. He is yuge.

  • IDK

    Fascinating write-up. Thank you for doing this; I suspect there are many like myself who would have loved to see Dr. Peterson, but we missed out on tickets.