Yes, Taxation IS Theft, deal with it

From Know Your Meme.

Last year I made a video entitled Taxation is Theft. It wasn’t the first time anyone had made a video with this title but I made it anyway because Taxation is indeed theft and people need to realise it. They need to accept it’s truth and the fact that it will always be the truth. Taxation is theft, taxation will always be theft, taxation can never not be theft and theft is always evil no matter who is stealing.

Hate to break it to some, others will be nodding their head thinking “yeah, it’s true, taxation is bloody theft.” To those who already agree hopefully you will find this article entertaining and informative nonetheless. To those who disagree feel free to read on and maybe I can change your mind, all I ask is that you give me a chance, if not you would have at least heard an argument that is not your own. You will have expanded your mind and you may find a way to argue against the assertion. Please try to change my mind.

To those on the fence may you find the arguments ahead strong or you may not. Again, I hope you will at least find my article entertaining and informative whether you ultimately agree with me or not.

On to the argument.

We must first start with the definitions of both taxation and

By taxation I mean the forced confiscation of your wealth by the state, whether it’s your income, or through taxation on mandatory purchases such as food, water and shelter. For example, the GST. You could add in most ‘duties’ and ‘sin taxes’ if you choose but it’s not needed for the purposes of this discussion.

By theft I mean the legal definition of theft, that is the taking of one’s property without their consent. As the feminazi’s love to remind us, a lack of resistance does not mean explicit consent. No means no and even if you may have consented before, you reserve the right to remove consent at any time.

When the state taxes you it is confiscating your wealth without your explicit consent. That means it is taking your property against your will, that means it is stealing from you. That means taxation is theft.

Extortion is using force, intimidation or undue power to take an individual’s property. Taxation is threatening force to take your money without your consent. That means taxation is extortion, which means taxation is theft.

If you don’t think taxation is threatening force, please try not paying it for a year or two and let us all know what happens. I have a hunch they’d impose large fines on you, freeze your assets, then ultimately imprison you if you continually refused to pay, but who knows.

The most common argument against the fact that taxation is theft goes along the lines of “it’s not theft, you fool, it’s the price you pay for living in a civilised society.” This is a silly argument made by brainwashed slaves and cretins. The price we pay for living in a civilised society is our labour, our ideas, our production and our contribution to society as a whole. That is the price we pay, not the forced confiscation of our money through the power of the gun.

At which point I’ll remind everyone they took away our guns, but that’s another discussion.

The second most common argument is “you signed a social contract,” to which I respond by laughing and asking two very simple questions. What do you think the man who coined the term “social contract,” John Locke, would say about the immoral use of force by the state, and where’s this contract I signed?

Another argument is “yeah but there’s nothing we can do about it.” This is wrong, there is certainly something we can do about it, we can let everyone know that taxation is theft. We can let everyone know that taxation will always be theft.

People need to know the truth, people deserve to know the truth, so gift people with true knowledge. Teach them the true nature of the state, and by the state I mean the government. All government, in all nations, in all states around the world, it is all the same. They use force to subjugate us then extort wealth from us. This is the truth, these are the facts and deep down we all know it, we’ve just forgotten.

Remind people that there are universal moral values and that it is always immoral to steal. Always, there is never a time when it is not. Yes, there are situations where it is less immoral and when it is more immoral but it is always immoral.

It is never morally right for everyone to steal, it is never morally right for one person to steal and most of all it is never morally right for the government to steal. Arguing the majority say it’s OK is foolish; if you are in a room with 2 other people and they vote to rape you, does that make rape OK?

“Ah, so you’re an anarchist then”, I hear you say, “you don’t want there to be any state at all!” No, this is not what I said, my argument is not that there should be no state at all, my argument is that we are all confined to the same moral laws. That includes the imaginary entity known as “the state.” When a person steals from another person, that hurts society. It creates distrust, and it create resentment and ill-will towards our fellow individuals. Our fellow human beings. Our fellow Australians.

Injustice affects all society, no matter how small. There are numerous examples, think of relationships broken through theft, think of businesses broken through fraud, think about it in a truly honest fashion.

When immorality is everywhere, the suffering is ultimately that much worse. We may not feel it right now, but we would not be the first society to suffer at the hands of the immorality of those who came before us. The Great Roman Empire collapsed through excessive taxation and welfare, matched by the natural laziness and apathy it creates. Chinese governments have a long history of expansion and collapse.

Who would argue that murder doesn’t destroy societies? That’s universally immoral too, just like theft.

There will always be a need for a body that mediates disputes, punishes criminals who violate truly universal moral laws and defends those within it’s borders from physical harm, including those who cannot help themselves. There is no rule that says deference to this body cannot be voluntary, nor does this body get to avoid moral laws simply because it says so.

The problem we face as a society is that we have only ever known taxation as reality. We have only ever known a government that violates universal laws. We have only ever known a government that extorts money from its populous for the purposes of buying power through votes.

Just as a government bombing sovereign nations, sometimes even the civilians within it, destroys those nations and the lives within it. So a government that steals from it’s populous for the purposes of “helping” others ultimately destroys the lives of those it attempts “help.”

“There are two certainties in life, death and taxes,” as the famous quote goes. But why? Why is taxation certain?

I say it’s not, I say it’s time to hold our governments to the same standards we hold each other. If it’s not OK for us to steal, it’s not OK for them.

“The Destruction of Tea at Boston Harbor” (1773) by Nathaniel Currier, 1846. From Wikipedia.

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  • John Sheppard

    So what is the alternative to taking money through taxes? How about a levy instead? 😉

    As a concept it is a great thought, however in practice I am unsure how you manage to fund social services such as roads, police, etc if not through taxation.

    • Covered that in full here:

      Spoiler: give people the choice to pay tax and offer the vote in return.

      You could even let people pay a higher percentage of their incomes in return for additional votes. You couldn’t do this one on raw volume of tax paid but as a percentage is certainly works.

      Most people would volunteer a small percentage of their income to pay for public goods if it meant a say in how the nation was run.

    • We don’t need 80% of the social services that are provided. They aren’t for our benefit and we certainly aren’t getting any credit or ownership shares for paying for them.

  • W. Hunter

    It definitely is extortion, in some cases outright theft.

    Some whistleblower insiders of the Australian Taxation Dept recently confessed that their bosses had forced them to raid peoples private bank accounts to seize funds.
    This is without the citizens concerned being notified.

    Theft, outright theft.
    ATO is like an arm of the Mafia, only the real Mafiosos of Italy have more honour than the ATO bastards.

    Heaven help you if the ATO spotlight falls on you !

    • Ron Mortimer

      All of that is a symptom of way too much complexity in the system, but so many feed off that complexity ie. accountants and tax lawyers, means that it will never be changed.

  • entropy

    “With the intent to deprive the lawful owner.”

    That’s the bit of the definition of theft that you missed. Taxation isn’t theft for the same reason that downloading a movie isn’t theft.

    At least in theory.

    But I’m with you on tying taxation to voting rights. “No taxation without representation” should go the other way, too.

    • All tax deprives the lawful owner, taxation is never for the benefit of the taxed.

      Downloading a movie and not paying for it is most definitely theft, you are stealing intellectual property.

      • entropy

        Nope, you’re just watching a movie. Noone is deprived of intellectual property. That’s why breach of copyright isn’t prosecuted as theft.

        So what about migrants? They’ve explicitly accepted taxation laws by applying for citizenship. Are they being robbed, too?

        • If you are denying someone income from their intellectual property you are violating copyright and it’s a form of theft even if it’s not technically “stealing.” It’s a different kind of theft but it’s still against the law.

          Yes, it’s stealing even if migrants choose to come here of their own free will. There was tax in their nation as well. Taxation is always theft.

          • entropy

            To quote myself, from a different channel:

            “It must appear that way when the public education system has failed you like it has.”

            Words have meanings, Matty.

      • Ron Mortimer

        I would be more impressed with the recording industry’s assertions that downloading movies is theft if they actually recognised all its implications themselves.
        By that I mean that if an official dvd gets damaged,either by accident or degradation then they should offer to replace it for the cost of the medium+case+packaging, as the licence for that movie has already been paid for. As they are not about to do that, there is is no reason to not download movies. There may be reasons to do with actually getting caught and fined, but no moral reason.

  • PaulMurrayCbr

    Taxation is the difference between us having to shit in the streets and us not having to shit in the streets. Hell – it’s the difference between having and not having streets at all.

    • If that’s so then people will pay for it voluntarily, no need for the state to extort you.

      • Ron Mortimer

        Doesn’t work, or else it would work in India and other street shitteries. To suggest that it can be done voluntarily runs counter to human nature..

        • Murray O’Brien

          India is not Australia. Average IQ aint that great.

          • Ron Mortimer

            I agree that India and Oz are two very different countries. I don’t know if IQ has much to do with it, more so culture.

    • W. Hunter
    • These simple little anecdotes really show simple little thinking.

      Sewerage, nightsoil collection and septic were around before federal income tax in this country.

      Public works do not proportionally benefit the income tax paying public, they benefit business and landlords and immigrants ie rent seekers and parasites.

      • Ron Mortimer

        So you don’t think that sewerage and water systems benefit us sufficiently? I would suggest that they are the most important infrastructure after roads, and have saved countless lives, far more than any vaccine.

  • Dan Flynn

    I’d like to be paying less tax too but roads, hospitals, schools, libraries, museums, art galleries, public transport infrastructure etc are all pretty expensive.
    I like the idea of linking tax to voting though.

    • All those things could be covered for very little or simply provided by the private sector.

      The biggest costs are welfare and healthcare by a loooong way and you could deregulate healthcare to the point that it costs a lot less.

      • Ron Mortimer

        I agree that you provide healthcare for an awful lot less than it is costing now, by simply removing all the licensing requirements for doctors. Let them trade on their reputations.
        However, for roads and other monopoly infrastructure, how could that work? Have to pay to walk out the front gate? That will have everyone cheering for sure. Upset about paying 28cents a kWh for electricity? How would you feel about a dollar or more a kWh because private monopoly corp knows that they can get away with it, after all, in such a scenario who could stop them?
        I do not object to taxation in principle, merely the level.

        • My solution is a system of voluntary taxation that comes with the right to vote. I fully believe people would pay 5-10% of their income of their own accord if they knew it gave only those who contributed the right to vote on how it was spent.

          Do that for 50 years along with mass-deregulation and we’d be rich beyond our dreams, free market capitalism for the win.

          As for electricity, the issue now is that the government has basically banned new power plants unless they are windmills and mirrors.

          Regulation and Taxation are the two biggest things holding back genuine progress, they need to be removed along with every third world toilet dweller.

          • Ron Mortimer

            Why tax income? I have quite a bit of sympathy for land value taxation AKA Single Tax AKA Georgist Taxation(from Henry George). He recognised that the community(population density, proximity and general amenity)gave land value therefore it was appropriate to tax land(and other natural monopolies).
            Banks don’t like it but why let them dictate to us the best ways to organise a society.

          • Why tax anything except imports? You greedy little man.

          • Ron Mortimer

            Now you are up against the free traders with import taxes. Whatever you tax it will annoy someone. A case can be made by most people as to why others but not them should be taxed.

  • Murray O’Brien

    Matty, how do you feel about vehicle registration? That is a user pays system that funds public roads. How does that fit into your thinking on taxation? Is it just another tax?

    • Ron Mortimer

      There is a point beyond which some things get way too anal(and I’m not having a go at you). User pays is a nice and simple concept but all benefit, not just road users.
      I have a serious problem with those that think that the free market can fix and run everything, including roads and infrastructure. They complain about monopoly government but are happy to have monopoly business run things. FFS this is all completely retarded.

  • I agree.

    Every politician saying otherwise is a crook.

  • MartinG